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Depends on your sound system and who's running it
Our church has a very good sound system and mixes piano, drums, percussion, keyboard, electric, acoustic, and bass guitar. Our acoustics being played include: Taylor, Takamine (both low and high end), Martin, Cort, SeaGull. As an acoustic player (of the low end Takamine)... the main things affecting the quality of the acoustic are: 1) does the guitar have on-board pre-amp 2)does the person play out or are they tenative in their style 3)who's running the soundboard and are they mixing it correctly. The guitars with built-in pre-amps definitely outshine the guitars with aftermarket pickup solutions such as Dean Markly Pro-mag and Martin thinline pickups. Also I've heard our director of worship (who is a perfectionist) comment more on the style of playing than the guitar. He did rant and rave about the sound of the Taylor 310CE and how it cut through the mix and once said the high-end Takamine sounded harsh and tinny. Finally even the highest quality acoustic or electric can sound bad in a mix if it is not balanced correctly by the guy at the soundboard. When our best sound guy was running the show, even my cheap laminate Takamine with a Dean Markly soundhole pickup sounds good. It's easy to jump on the Takamine bandwagon since you see so many big name artists playing them. However, after playing my friend's Taylor 310CE my standards have gone way up and I doubt my next guitar will be another Takamine. Nevertheless, many famous artists, who undoubtedly could afford the best of the best for their craft, are choosing Takamines for stage performances.
Submitted by: DGH Location: Minnesota Date Added: 2005-09-26
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Follow up opinion
OK so now that I've had a few more days - HA - to think it over, and I have been through another 5 guitars (bought and sold)... here are the learnings.I don't depart from my basic premise that the venue and style are the biggest questions. I do think it is important to add that the human ear can only pick up so much sound. In fact, that is what the whole MP3 craze is really based on. MP3 is a lower quality sound file but it is selling like crazy because of its function and then fact that most of the sounds that it "trimms off" are sounds that the ear cannot pick up. Similarly, anyone looking to purchase a guitar for any live situation (this is horrible advice for recording) should take a look at what instruments are already in the mix and what frequencies to they cover already. I have made the mistake over and over, where I go to a shop and play all these guitars unplugged, pick my favorite and then play it 80% of the time through a system live with a band.... and i wonder what i missed at the shop. IDIOT! The application, the pieces, and the human ear should be primary considerations. I hope I have learned my lesson for the last time, and hopefully saved someone else some headache. One final tip... many manufacturers improve nothing on their guitars save some abalone trim and gold tuners and catagorize it as a nicer model. Don't pay more for that stuff. Also remember that the glossier the finish, the more frequently you are going to blind someone who was in the middle of worshipping God, and you just scarred his retina. Not helpful. Cheers rm
Submitted by: Ryan Meeks Date Added: 2005-02-17
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Arts Pastor
I think the question is flawed. Asking what is the best guitar for worship is like asking what is the best suit to wear for evangelism. They all work in different settings or not at all in certain settings. A more appropriate question would be to ask what is the best guitar for "such and such" type of music in a live setting. Some churches are guitar and percussion only... others are piano and drums only... i am in a situation where we play loud and proud rock with a full band: Drums, percussion, B3, Electric guitar, acoustic guitar, keys, bass, and a host of vocalists. For me, when looking for a quitar for such a setting, there were a few key needs. Number one, i had to be able to cut through the whole mix to set and keep all the tempos, not to mention that the band needed to be able to hear subtle changes in my playing to follow my lead during worship. Also, i needed something that sounded great onstage and gave me no feedback issues ever! We do 6 services per weekend and i have no room or time for faulty or fussy gear. I have owned Taylors, a few Martins, Tacomas, Yamahas, Ovations, Carvins, and for this application, i would have to say that the Carvin AE375 was an excellent choice - again i am grading this on its use with a full band on a live stage with a pro-sound engineer. He loved that thing! I sold it on ebay to get something i could also enjoy at home.... BAD IDEA! Although i love my Martin D16RGTE, it is not even close to as useful onstage as that Carvin. Its all about function. I don't even like the look of the Carvin, but it did the best job. Second place onstage only goes to Ovation. I know guitar purists are gasping, but it makes sense when you get into the physics of it. I am highly intrigued by these new all graphite guitars. Nice. No temerature worries and bell like qualities...
Submitted by: Ryan Meeks Location: San Diego, CA Date Added: 2004-03-10
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Martin DC16RGTE vs. Taylor 810 BCE
I own a Martin DC16RGTE and a Taylor 810BCE. For the money, the Martin is hard to beat. But if you are going for exquisite sound, well, the Taylor has it all. I play either one through a crate 125D acoustic amp and not a single other electronic gadget. The sound of the Taylor is the best I have ever heard. Seriously, not even professionals who have come to my church can get a better sound. Only one, who happened to play a 714 Taylor with a Trace, got as good a sound. But back to the Martin. I said all that to say, the Martin is comparable to the Taylor and the cost was only about half. So for value, the Martin gets the call. I still love my 810 though and would never get rid of it. I doubt if I will ever put my hands on a beter playing and sounding guitar.
Submitted by: Ronald K. McLaren Location: Hitchcock, TX Date Added: 2003-07-14
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Choose the right pickup
If you can find the money ($1,500+), spend it on a good Taylor, or even better, a Martin. You'll be glad you did. THEN, buy the best pickup money can buy. Which is the best? As with most musical instrument questions, that's debatable. You cannot go wrong with anything from the L.R. Baggs line, particularly the LB6 for rhythm guitar (loud chord strumming). They have others that are even better for finger pickers. But, do yourself, your sound engineer and your congregation and huge favor and buy only the best. Also, make sure you have it set up properly by a competent luthier. Then, plug it into a quality pre-amp or acoustic guitar amp -- not an electric guitar amp! Make sure you're providing the cleanest signal possible to the sound board, and then make sure that your signal is EQ'd properly. I'm amazed at how many people will buy a nice guitar ($1,500 +), put a cheap (less than $50) piezo pickup on it, feed it through a half-dozen stomp boxes and into the soundboard, and then wonder why everyone complains about the lack of "true acoustic sound" being delivered. Remember, the electronics are as important as the axe (guitar). Jon Personal set up: --------------------------------- 1994 Martin D-41 Guitar True Tone M7 Pickup System -- The M7 system has 2 condenser mics, under bridge transducer & on-board blender/mixer Trace Acoustic Amp, with Alesis digital effects GHS silk and bronze strings
Submitted by: Jon Thrasher Location: Charlotte, NC Date Added: 2003-04-24
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Response to first opinion
The Martin D16RGTE is a full size guitar. The Takamine ESF48C is a smaller body NEX cutaway guitar. When comparing guitars the models should be similar in terms of size, but overall the review is accurate in that the full size guitars tend to have more ump! in the bass. I personally have a Takamine ESF40C. A guitar that is better than Takamine ESF series (avg. cost $800-$1400)would be the Taylor 914ce (avg. cost $2,500) Takamine is the best overall value.
Submitted by: Kao Syvirathphan Location: Redding Date Added: 2003-04-24
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Takimines are Just Average
All guitar players have their own opinions about their favorite instruments. Here's mine.Earlier this year I started looking around for an electric accoustical guitar. As worship leader for our small church, I wanted a slightly diffent flavor than what I get from my Epiphone Sheraton II. I figured I'd end up with a Takamine just like about every other worship leader has. Compared to the name brands, they're fairly inexpensive and seemed to be well made. However, after trying numerous models, I was unimpressed and disappointed with their sound. An unamplified Tak is thin with little or no bass and mid range response. About the only thing I like about the electronics was the built-in tuner. I ended up with a Martin D16RGTE. Yes, it was double the price and no, I won't be taking it to any campfires. But the sound! The sound is incredible amped or not. There's a full, rich bass which blends in nearly perfectly with the mids and hi's. Perfect for a worship service or an informal Bible study. As I say, everyone has their opinion. Mine is sure to draw fire! Blessings to all.
Submitted by: Doug Landphair Location: Salisbury, MD Date Added: 2003-03-26
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